A Question to Wade Burleson Concerning His ‘Re-Vindication’ of Jimmy Carter’s Alleged ‘Baptistic Evangelicalness’
Wade Burleson is once again is in high gear defending the ‘Baptistic Evangelicalness’ of Jimmy Carter (CLICK HERE TO READ MY RESPONSE to Burleson’s 2007 Vindication of Carter’s Baptistic Evangelicalness).
I tried to post a cordial comment on Burleson’s blog. Alas, I was denied access; here is the reason:
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Wade,
You stated:
“[Carter] professes privately, publicly and without apology that “Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.”
Does Carter profess privately, publicly and without apology that “Salvation is by grace ALONE through faith ALONE in Jesus Christ.”?
Cordially,
chadwick
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August 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Chadwick:
I too typed in a nice comment and question and received the same response. Oh well, with your permission I will say it here – at your place.
Yes, President Carter may indeed possess many character traits that we should all emulate and be thankful for, and I am glad that Brother Wade has gotten to witness these traits up close and personal. However, my question is for President Carter, is how can he support a platform (the Democratic party’s) that calls for and endorses the murder of babies in their mother’s womb? How can he, who seems to love and respect humanity, raise money and support for others who support abortion on demand?
I know that none of us is perfect, but hopefully President Carter will take this issue before the throne of God and seek His will. Perhaps he will look closer into the Scriptures he teaches each week at his famed Sunday School and see what the Lord will direct him to do on this issue.
Thanks Chadwick for allowing me to comment here – no holds barred.
August 10, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Heath,
Feel free to address Wade with any questions here. Here at my place, everyone has a voice whether they agree with me or not.
Jimmy Carter’s doctrinal convictions can be summed up in one word: AMBIGUOUS!
An ambiguous gospel offends nobody and saves nobody! Only when the Gospel is preached with clarity will it be offensive to many and save many.
chadwick
August 10, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I read this in the morning, and checked back to see if there had been any answer to your question. Sorry you have been ignored.
August 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Dave,
Maybe I could get one of Wade’s “team players” to chime in over at his place?
August 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm
No surprise there.
August 10, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Sola GraTia,
Are you one of Wade’s “Team Players”?
August 10, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Chadwick, Chadwick, Chadwick…
I’m tempted to call up Hans & Franz and head South!
The day I get my WB Network Team invite, is the same day I also become a Redsox fan! AIN’T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN NEVER!
August 10, 2009 at 10:34 pm
That would make a great t-shirt
and, “HOW BOUT THEM YANKEES”
August 10, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Aww Chad… maybe I can help?
I got on .. lets see for how long.
Steve
August 11, 2009 at 8:57 am
grosey,
Thanks! Wade is turning his blind eye (good eye?) to the question. I would not be surprised if Wade reprimands you for not being a good & faithful ‘team player!’
August 11, 2009 at 10:45 am
OK, put down your flame throwers. If you would have read the post, he answered your question in detail in the post. The answer is yes. Jimmy Carter believes in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
Also, if you will look at the heading of your comment, you are logged in under Steve Groses account. Then you signed your name. I didn’t even know who you are.
Heresy hunters are a dime a dozen and gentleman, it’s not Jimmy Carter’s salvation I have doubts about.
August 11, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Of course it isn’t, Debbie. He’s a theological liberal. That’s one catagory you’ll never question.
August 11, 2009 at 11:09 am
Debbie,
Steve Grose logged in under his own account and copied & pasted my question. For some reason, I am not a ‘team member’ who has the privilege to comment on Wade’s blog.
I guess Steve should have signed his own name to the question or stated that he was asking the question in my stead.
Furthermore, I find it strange that the ONLY SOURCE that UNAMBIGUOUSLY claims that Carter’s view on salvation is by Faith ALONE in Christ ALONE comes SECOND-HANDEDLY VIA BURLESON.
The only FIRST-HAND sources (from Carter himself) of Carter’s view of salvation are ALWAYS AMBIGUOUS. Carter has never, to my knowledge or finding, stated that salvation is EXCLUSIVELY found by faith ALONE in Christ ALONE.
Even the pope states that salvation comes by faith in Christ. However, the Pope falls short to state that salvation is by faith ALONE in Christ ALONE.
Dear Debbie, why do you think we are Protestants? Our religious forefathers protested the teachings of the Catholic Church and out popped the Five Solas:
1)Sola Scriptura
2)Sola Fide
3)Solus Christos
4)Sola GraTia
5)Soli Deo Gloria
If Jimmy Carter will FIRST-HANDEDLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY hold to the FIVE SOLAS, I will put down my ‘heresy hunter flame thrower’ and gladly recant of my questioning of Carter’s stance on salvation.
Dear Debbie, would you classify anyone who DOES NOT hold to the FIVE SOLAS as a heretic?
Cordially,
chadwick
August 11, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dear Debbie,
Also, I find it strange (and sprinkled with popery) for you to question a person’s salvation by just ASKING QUESTIONS.
I am going to have to go out on the mission field to do some ministry. Therefore, I will not be able to comment anymore until later this evening.
By Faith Alone,
chadwick
August 11, 2009 at 11:53 am
I’m going to be blunt here. I use this passage a lot because I love this passage, but Christ put the law into 2 two commands. Love God, love others. Period. If we don’t do these things or have love for others, according to the passage, the faith of that person should be questioned. It’s the fruit of God’s work in us. The changing of the heart from stone to flesh.
Love in these passages means how do we get along with our co-workers, especially for us who work not in the church but at a secular job. Those we disagree with? If our love doesn’t show to others and that means everyone, our faith and salvation should be questioned. I’m questioning. I know that is not Christian politically correct, but I am. I am doing it on what I believe is the authority of the scriptures.
You are questioning Jimmy Carter and yet you say I can’t question you? That is nothing but hypocritical.
August 11, 2009 at 2:08 pm
If we don’t do these things or have love for others, according to the passage, the faith of that person should be questioned.
But you see, Debs, your definition of “loving people” means you don’t question their beliefs, correct their false doctrines, or call them to repent of their sin. That’s not love. Just accepting anyone, no matter what it is they believe, is not love. Denying the distinctives of the gospel is not love.
August 11, 2009 at 11:55 am
No chadwick, Steve Grose logged in and pasted your question. So that wouldn’t be a team player to me. That’s less than ethical. You are screaming over nothing. Again.
August 11, 2009 at 12:01 pm
To be blunt, you say that you believe in the inerrancy of scripture. Then live it. All of it. There is a difference between religion and Christianity of the Bible. You are living and preaching religion. The SB is now turning to Christianity. You preach Christ alone, while living the opposite. Read and study the book of John. How do you compare to that.
August 11, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Chadwick,
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample the under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matt 7:6
Oops! Did I just say that? No the Scripture did! So that means sometimes you have to make discernments about what people do and say!
Chadwick you are presently being trampled for demanding doctrinal integrity!
Get used to it, because our churches are full of tolerant and indulgent people that call for a slimy (Moist,sticky, and resembling mucus)love and peace that in the end will destroy us.
August 11, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I didn’t call for it. Christ did.
August 11, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Whatever, Debs. Christ called people to repent and He did so in love. He loved them enough to call sin what it was–sin. He loved God enough that when people were profaning the temple of the Lord He went ghetto on them. He visibly displayed His righteous indignation. That’s a far different response than a church that would invite someone like Wm Paul that publically denies clear biblical doctrines to “preach” in their church.
August 11, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Dear Debbie,
You don’t want to go there.
Christ also called for discernment. Loving others requires telling and gaurding the truth that can save them from eternal Hell. Jesus also said alot of things about that. Matthew 7: 15-21 ( to stay in the same chapter) and many others
I am finished with this silly discussion. Those who believe in gay priest and universal salvation (not saying that you do) use the same arguments to justify their tolerance of sin and doctrinal dillusion. In teh end it is just a lame excuse to ignore the truth.
August 11, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I think I see something for us to talk about on Baptist Talk!
August 11, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Joe: That just simply isn’t true. But then again you will make up whatever you have to in order to seem right.
August 11, 2009 at 2:45 pm
It most certainly is true as you can hear him saying himself in this interview . He says that he doesn’t know that all people won’t be in heaven. Therefore, he is a universalist. He says that Christ wasn’t punished for our sins. Um “He was bruised for our iniquities”. Hello?? Ring a bell.
August 11, 2009 at 2:25 pm
pastorinthewoods who doesn’t tell who he really is but hides behind anonymity. Not only do I want to go there I have. As for discernment that is exactly what I am doing using the Bible as my only guide not fundamentalism. I’ll continue to go there as you continue to have posts like this.
August 11, 2009 at 2:32 pm
You guys I am admittedly in battle mode, which I detest and speak again. Right now that makes me the hypocrite. You have every right to question. It’s the questions and the accusations based on lies and deceit with absolutely no love(and you can tell me differently all day and night and actions speak louder than words.)
When you go on your mission trip Chadwick, remember your behavior for the past 3 years, and be sure and tell those you are speaking to the whole story. Christ is the only until after salvation. Then you have a whole list of things you will want them to fight for before they can be considered a true child of God.
August 11, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Christians fight against heresy. “Contend ernestly for the faith”?? Read that one?? In contrast, moderates are open to any and all interpretations of scripture, as long as it’s not conservative.
August 11, 2009 at 2:33 pm
that should be speak against.
August 11, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Debbie,
Since you further attacked me by calling me a coward I will further my response.If you want to come to my webblog and find out who I am you are more than welcome to. If you need further info. then I can provide you with complete transparency. The use of pastorinthewoods is not for the sake of hiding most people know me on this blog site.
I have issued no lies in my response to your “battle-mode” talk. I have simply stated that love requires truth or it is simply willful ignorance and tolerance of error. God requires us as Christians to preach the truth in love. He does not say love one another at the expense of truth.
Thank you for your passionate defense of whatever you are defending. I appreciate that you consider anyone that believes Jesus is the only way to heaven as a “fundi”. That is a classic.
Maybe I inserted myself too deeply in the discussion but I thought Chadwick’s question was far from slanderous based upon comments made by the former president Carter. Is it not a fair question to ask someone about their Christology that holds up a profession of faith? Can we not do that in today’s church? Have we gone so far that it is no longer necessary to proclaim Jesus as the only way to heaven?
There are no lies or deceptive language in that. Just point blank basic Bible doctrine. Why is that wrong?
August 11, 2009 at 5:51 pm
pastorinthewoods and Joe: When both of you can argue based on truth call me. Your comments are nothing but deception.
August 11, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Yeah, I didn’t figure you’d have any way you could spin what he said with his own mouth on a radio interview. The truth hurts, don’t it Debs?
August 11, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Debbie, I am so sad for you… from what you have said today, I would come to the conclusion that you do not believe that we are saved by faith in Christ alone. I hear what the RC church says, that we are saved by faith working through love… is this actually what you believe, what Luther and Calvin and men and women of God in all ages have discerned to be the source of all errors in the church in all ages?
I ma surprised and saddened by your assertions that amount to a denial of the essence fo the gospel itself.
Steve
August 12, 2009 at 11:41 am
Chadwick,
Did Carter not once say that Jews are saved…and dont need to be evangelized? that they come another way, and not thru Jesus Christ?
Also, Carter pushes for women pastors big time. He says that it’s one of the main reasons that he left the SBC. His liberal views are very well known for anyone who wants to open their eyes and see them.
David
August 12, 2009 at 11:58 am
His liberal views are very well known for anyone who wants to open their eyes and see them.
But those among us who willfully shut their eyes (cough cough Debbie cough cough) do so because although we don’t use the term, we’re just as liberal as Carter or the mainline denominations.
August 12, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Carter’s own words are confusing. The context of the question is clearly salvation, yet his response seems to be about common grace. In an Newsweek interview he also stated the Mormon’s are Christians. Hmmm.
Nevertheless, I don’t get worked up over this. SBC churches are full of people with similar beliefs or worse. Why all the whitewater over him? Is it because he is a Democrat? Because he has left the SBC? Or, because he wasn’t an effective President? Or, because he has a very public position that tends to give credibility to his bad theology?
August 12, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Because he has a very public position that gives his position credibility and he uses that position unwisely to harm gospel churches in other countries. I have had a terrible time getting SBC Sunday School material permitted to be brought into this country since Carter’s abusive statements concerning Southern Baptists. The people of Australia have now tarred all Baptists as equivelent to terrorists. Thank you Mr. Carter!
August 12, 2009 at 8:30 pm
May I ask a question?
If President Carter is so concerned about women pastors, why does he not attend a church that has a woman senior pastor?
As to the
August 12, 2009 at 9:54 pm
scott shaffer,
The reason for this post is: Wade Burleson has put words in Carter’s mouth in which Carter has never uttered concerning his stance on Salvation. This post is not really about Carter but about Wade’s presumptuous ’second-hand’ words about Carter’s stance on salvation.
If Carter truly believed that Salvation was by Scripture Alone, by Faith Alone, by Christ Alone, by Grace Alone, for God’s Glory alone, he would not need Bombastic Burleson’s voice to set the record straight; he would tell the world ‘first-hand,’ straight from the ‘horse’s mouth!’
Cordially,
chadwick
August 13, 2009 at 8:35 am
Naaaay……naaaaaay….naaaaaay
August 13, 2009 at 8:36 am
The above comment was not by me, but a horse that lives near the Church.
David
August 13, 2009 at 8:38 am
Vol,
Is it a Tennessee Stud?
August 13, 2009 at 8:40 am
August 13, 2009 at 9:56 am
Yea, it’s a TN stud. He wants me to tell you thank you for the song. He really enjoyed it. You should have seen him tapping his big ole hoofs to this toe tapper.
David